OK here's the thing - I have loved everything I have tried from Deciem. Grow Gorgeous, Hylamide, Hand Chemistry etc - all excellent. There is no doubt in my mind that Brandon, the founder, is at the forefront of science in products and he talks in a way that very few people I have met in the industry talk. Passionately, intelligently and with love and excitement.
I have not had as much success with NIOD as I have with the rest of the range, but this is purely, 100% because of my own limitations and frankly, because the range confuses me. I like to know exactly how something works, when it works and how quickly it works. NIOD has no interest in my problems, it just wants to get on with the job. It cares about the science, but I think that sometimes the science overshadows the 'PLEASE GOD JUST TELL ME HOW IT WORKS!!!'
I know I'm not alone. As NIOD's success has grown, I am asked more and more often about their products, and I found myself unable to answer properly so I asked Brandon, a man who by his own admission will use 597 words when one will suffice, for 3 sentences on each product. I asked politely, but I did say 'THREE SENTENCES BRANDON. THREE.' ;)
Being the total gent that he is, he entertained my impertinence.
'Beauty science is on the verge of an explosive level of innovation and the next 5 years are going to be revolutionary.'
CAIS - Copper Amino Isolate Serum
1. If you're going to use 1 product from NIOD, use this one.
2. It focuses on skin health and not lines/wrinkles or specific signs of age.
3. It has a very high long-term value to the skin.
MMHC - Multi-Molecular Hyaluronic Complex
1. If you're going to use 2 products from NIOD, MMHC should be the second one.
2. It shows visible results faster than CAIS.
3. It provides visible anti-aging value quickly and in the long-term but, unlike CAIS, its long-term value to skin health and quality is limited, if any. Basically MMHC is a much more advanced version of Hylamide HA Booster. (SCORE! CH)
HV - Hydration Vaccine
1. Use only if skin has lost hydration. I do not believe in hydration when it's not a necessity.
2. Seals in supplemented and naturally-present NMF instead of "hydrating" the surface.
3. Is a very pro-silicone product. Silicones are extremely misunderstood, extremely underrated and are extremely advanced today. The silicons in HV are very advanced and cost many times more than many active peptide technologies used in skincare. (I'M BEGINNING TO LOVE THIS MAN. CH)
FECC - Fractionated Eye Contour Concentrate
1. Is not meant to targets signs of eye aging that are common to the rest of the face. For these signs, CAIS and MMHC should be used under the eyes as well.
2. FECC focuses largely on eye-area-specific aging including puffiness, darkness and fine dynamic lines. Deeper lines cannot be fixed topically except when they're static which MMHC will help with. Hollowness also cannot be fixed topically (except with temporary topical filling-type spheres which offer very minimal improvement for a very short time).
3. Is low in viscosity. NIOD is absolutely against eye creams. They do not absorb well and actually cause water retention/puffiness.
ELAN - Ethylated L-Ascorbic Acid 30% Network
1. Is not part of the core NIOD regimen. It should be used at nighttime only.
2. Is for those who are educated and users of topical Vitamin C.
3. It's 30% Vitamin C in a stable antioxidant network that is more advanced and 5% more concentrated than Hylamide C25.
LVCE - Low Viscosity Cleaning Ester
1. Dissolves impurities instantly without water.
2. It's ideally wiped and rinsed to allow for a single-step cleaning.
3. Leaves a comfortable ester cushion on the skin. This will not clog pores and will help everything applied to penetrate better. If left alone without other topical treatments on top, this cushion will disappear and actually balance (not trigger or reduce) natural sebum production.
NIOD overall:
1. All you really need is CAIS for skin health and quality. The other products are basically better forms of skincare but CAIS is care for the skin's health.
2. If you use everything, the order should be:
AM: LVCE, CAIS, MMHC, FECC, HV
PM: LVCE, CAIS, MMHC, FECC, ELAN (If extremely dry skin, follow with HV)
PHEW. Right. Now that I'm a lot clearer, I'm off to get it all on my face again.
Thank you so much Brandon! (I have asked for an update on Photography Fluid - will add to this post hopefully tomorrow - Brandon likes a good question - hit him up in the comments. ;) )
Further information on NIOD including all prices is available in detail here: niod.com/products

Thanks for this Caroline. I have just bought a kit with sample (although a little really does go a long way due to the fluidity) sizes, and this has helped clarify some of my perturbedness - it doesn't take much, the abbreviations for a start...
ReplyDeleteGoodness I did not expect a reply from Brandon, thankyou so much for a personal reply, it is my aged brain that skids off the information rather than a criticism of your information on your website, which I find helpful and informative, I just can't quite get to grips with it, again me rather than you!
DeleteThanks Caroline! How generous of Brandon to simplify things for us. I'd love to run a quick question by him....with respect to MMHC, I think I understand his 3 sentences to say that it is designed for use in conjunction with (and not in place of) Hylamide. Is that right? (I'm completely obsessed with Hylamide, have used it 2x per day, every day, since Caroline told us about it - so if MMHC can amplify its effects, I'll stockpile that, too!)
ReplyDeleteThanks to Caroline and Brandon.
Hi Brandon - I think it's remarkable that you're engaging with us directly in a forum like this and I'm so impressed with your approach.
DeleteIn her review of Hylamide SubQ Anti-Age, Caroline referred to its "immediate gratification effect" and I'd echo her sentiments in that regard. I also really appreciated that the product was so affordable and easily attainable for me in the Northeast US - so, high marks on all counts for execution. That said, I love the idea of incorporating a parallel, longer-term strategy with NIOD. Not sure about your odds of a narrow audience in light of The Hirons Effect ;)
Sincere thanks and best wishes to you and Deciem.
Very intrigued! But I have to wonder, when one company is producing multiple skincare lines...Why not just have everything in one line? I invested in the Hylamide Eye product after reading your review, wondering how one would integrate that (and products from other lines) with Niod products. Or we're meant to get everything and use Niod exclusively?
ReplyDeleteSuper interesting, can already tell I'll be buying, but this has raised more questions for me...
Thanks, Brandon! I fear I am so addicted to trying different products that dedication solely to NIOD could be difficult for me to muster. But so appreciate you taking the time to explain all this. Refreshing approach in the industry, and one I hope sets a trend.
DeleteI recently purchased the Hylamide kit at the Deciem Black Friday sale and I'm looking forward to try. I'm definitely bookmarking this for future reference!
ReplyDeleteBless you Caroline for this. I am one of those that asked about this.
ReplyDeleteBrandon,
1.What exactly do you mean by skin health? Collagen production? Barrier function? Elasticity?
2.On the Vit C. That is a lot of Vit C! I am excited to try it but will it help with old acne scarring that is pitted? Listening to Caroline has greatly improved the look of my skin but that one area of my cheek still looks funky.
Thank you for making beautiful products at an affordable price. Your hard work is really appreciated.
I second this. Can Brandon please expand upon what he means by 'skin health'.
DeleteThank you!
Brandon, thank you for the explanation.
DeleteI find the science behind all this fascinating (my partner is an epigenetisist, so I ask him endless questions on cell communication etc) and the results I have had personally from Hylamide has been amazing.
When (or to whom) would you recommend using CAIS 5% and CAIS 1%?
I've used the Hand Chemistry 1% Retinol oil on my face as a last step to ''seal' everything in. Would this be how you recommend this?
Fantastic, amazing products Brandon. Thank you for developing these and bringing them to the market. X
I need to ask, why don't you recommend the vitamic C prpduct for people with acne scarring /combattimg acne? I'm curious why because I suffer from acne and have heard quite controversial things. That high amount of vitamin c and niacinamide according to research improves post acne marks but I'm not sure... could you please recommend products for acne prone skin and products to heal scne other than the retin oil? (P.s. teen skin 19-20). Thanks haha
DeleteBrandon,
DeleteThank you for this. Can you please elaborate on this?'I would not recommend Vitamin C products for skin that was or is prone to acne unless serious acne treatment is also included in the regimen.'
1.Why?
2.What kind of serious acne treatments are you speaking of? I use my acid toners and salicylic acid and other than the odd pimple at the start of my cycle my skin is clear.
Thank you so much for taking the time to answer our questions. Reading through the comments has been illuminating.
Oh and I feel the need to add that I am dark skinned/African living in the tropic. Not sure if that changes the answer but that is why I am attracted to Vit C;to help with pigmentation issues and brighten my skin
DeleteSame person here, also wondering, wouldn't copper in CAIS cause the Fenton reaction if used too frequently?
DeleteThank you Brandon.
DeleteI am not really interested in lightening;just looking radiant and glowy/fading pigmentation vs overall lightening. What about the Hylamide glow serum? Would that work?
DeleteDelurking to say thank you for this post! I've been working my way through Hylamide's products & am of course curious about NIOD as well.
ReplyDeletePuzzled about the order of the Vit C serum, however (& this goes for Hylamide's range as well) - aren't Vit C serums typically applied before, not after hydrating serums?
Hi Brandon,
DeleteThanks for the explanation! Is the Ethyl-Ascorbic Acid used in your products pH dependent/is there a wait time between applying the Vitamin C & a moisturizer? Thanks again!
Hi Brandon,
DeleteThanks again for taking the time to answer my questions!
Thank you for this. Now I am very curious about the CAIS. Looking forward to hearing more of your thoughts.
ReplyDeleteThank you Caroline!
ReplyDeleteI have been more than impressed with the few things I've tried from the Hylamide range, so I'd definitely be interested in trying these. It's nice to have this post to refer to as the sciencey side of things really does go a little over my head sometimes and I prefer things explained in simplified terms first and if I want more info I will look deeper into it. Sometimes my brain just won't brain. Lol.
ReplyDeleteThe Beauty Bloss
Thanks for this, just bought Hylamide SubQ for the first time but interested in trying Niod in the future.
ReplyDeleteIf like to ask about the Vitamin C, my understanding was the optimum concentration was much lower than 30% and advice this there were no benefits and more risk of irritation?
As a former Scientist would also love
to see citations on the website :)
Thanks for a really thorough answer Brandon, definitely interested in trying more of your range.
DeleteNew topic Caroline: cheap silicones and advanced silicones and where to find them
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ReplyDeleteI have been using CAIS and really can't notice any difference in my skin. What effects should I be looking out for and how long should it take to see a difference? Also did I understand correctly when it said it could be used around the eyes?
ReplyDeleteHi Brandon, Thank you for your response and the detailed responses to other questions too. I read the information above and that is good to know that seeing quick results isn't expected with this product. I look after my skin and find that normally creams etc that everyone sees amazing results with quickly don't seem to happen with me.
DeleteOhhh, thanks so much! I'm super curious about NIOD, but never understood them either! That comes as great help :)
ReplyDelete(although I do have the Photography Fluid... got as a "gift I could choose" - not for me, but for my Photography works after reading Ruth's review. Didn't notice huuuge difference in the models' skin to be honest)
I really really like the photography fluid. Makes a great primer and gives a nice glow
ReplyDeleteThanks so much Caroline and Brian! This has cleared up a lot of my questions - though I too wonder if the NIOD and Hylamide ranges are perhaps targeted at different people? Is NIOD merely for the science-obsessed?
ReplyDeleteYour previous answers have cleared up my questions - thank you so much for taking the time to personally respond!
DeleteI've been using the MMHC,FECC and the Hylamide Eye. I've been more than pleased. I have the CAIS at home but haven't started using it.As I am no spring chicken, I will probably add the ELAN.Thank you for another great post.
ReplyDeleteSo interesting! How would one integrate the NIOD regimine with Rx retinoids, bleaching creams, and topical acne treatments like Aczone?
ReplyDeleteHi Caroline & Brandon,
DeleteWould you please clarify adding CAIS into a CH approved regime.
i.e Cleanse, acid tone, spray hydrate, serum, moisturise.
Typically, I would have assumed CAIS could be applied in the serum step?
As specified above any ACID would destroy CAIS, I also couldn't imagine applying P50 or the like over the top of CAIS.
I would love if you guys could please clarify the correct steps, so we are getting the benefits.
Thank You
Nerida
So this leads me to ask another question. How often should we use CAIS a week?
DeleteI am loving Hylamide products and really keen to try niod. The photography fluid looks gorgeous on the skin on days I manage to get it applied evenly. The texture is really not ideal. I wish they would reformulate it to make it easier to apply and blend on the face. What I am really dissapointed with though is the different pricing of products for non US residents. I live in NZ so these products on my browser cost more as opposed to if I was living in the US. I really don't like that they advertise free global shipping but then hike up the price of the products. Caroline I hope you can raise this question with Brandon because I have emailed Deciem and did not receive response explaining the discrepancy in prices. I would have preferred if they were more transparent and charged a shipping fee instead.
ReplyDeleteThe Photography Fluid blends well with other products which can help it to apply more smoothly. You could try adding a drop or two to your moisturiser or primer. Failing that, the Hylamide Photography Foundation is more user friendly with a very similar result.
DeleteI live in Oz and buy my NIOD from VictoriaHealth.com. shipping is reasonable and as it's shipped to outside the UK, you get a 20% savings by not paying VAT (its automatically deducted). There's an NIOD starter kit on there now for half price £25 instead of £50 and is great value. I've been using NIOD, the full range for about 5 months now and my skin has never looked better. I get comments of 'your skin looks flawless' from close friends and even my hairdresser. I don't even use foundation anymore. Just NIOD and tinted sunscreen. Could not be happier with the results.
DeleteThanks for the tip Jonty, CAIS and kit ordered!
DeleteHi Caroline
ReplyDeleteCould you ask Brandon to clarify what NOID products can be used with Hylamide and which ones replace Hylamide?
Some are obvious (HV replaces low molecular HA booster. ELAN replaces Vit C booster)
Does MMHC replace Hylamide Sub Q?
Does FECC replace Sub Q eye? Or can these be used in conjunction? (Does anyone else think of Father Ted with FECC?!?!)
CAIS seems to be the unique product; could this be added into the Hylamide regimen? If so, would this be before or after Hylamide Sub Q?
Sorry for so many questions! I've pretty much got all the Hylamide range and am impressed with the results at the price point of these products. Just curious how to incorporate NOID.
(And I second Suzanne; could Brandon clarify what he means by 'skin health')
Thank you!
Thank you for the full reply Brandon. Much appreciated!
DeleteAnd I don't think you are insane for using a three step serum. We 'Caroline Clones' (oooh. that should be trademarked. It's the UK version of the Kardashians, but we are Cooler ), don't bat an eyelid at multiple steps. I'm definitely going to incorporate CAIS and add in MMHC. I'm loving Sub Q and Sub Q eye, so will probably continue with these (and I have three of each as back ups)
Thank you again!
I've been using Hylamide and NIOD since they were launched in the UK because I loved the Hand Chemistry products so much I started to really trust the Deciem brand (I love the HiF hair washes too - if you love Grow Gorgeous, Caroline, I recommend trying HiF, especially Volume Support, which is amazing). It's great to have Brandon's advice on the products - I haven't been using CAIS and MMHC under my eyes, but I will definitely start now. I know CAIS is the core product (and I'm very happy the new formulation means it doesn't have to be kept in the fridge - I'm on my fourth bottle but first unrefridgerated one!) but I think my favourite product is the Hydration Vaccine as it is the perfect base for makeup. My foundation goes on smoothly and lasts all day instead of disappearing by early afternoon. I can't wait for the new products to come out next year. And thank you, Brandon, for the Black Friday NIOD bundle - what a good deal!
ReplyDeleteHi Caroline/Brandon!!
ReplyDeleteTxs for this Review. I only have one question. Being 53, will anything work? Thank you for an honest answer.... Greetings from Sweden!
This sounds fascinating! I haven't tried anything from Deciem but now I AM THERE! Can't wait to try these.
ReplyDeleteHi Brandon and Queen Caroline!
ReplyDeleteSorry if this has been answered elsewhere, but when do I use the CAIS, when I use my acids and hydrating toners in my routine? Is it:
Cleanse
CAIS
Acid
Hydrating toner
etc etc
Or
Cleanse
Acid
Hydrating toner
CAIS
etc
etc
Thank you for writing this post - have been looking at the products on Lookfantastic for a while :D
Please can you tell me how CAIS fits in with the use of a retinol? Can you use both? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteThank you Caroline and thank you Brandon for elucidating further in the comments section: I'm fascinated by this range and am intending to buy CAIS now (was not aware of the range previously). My one question: do I still acid tone & hydrate tone? ie, does CAIS go on at what would normally be serum stage in a Hirons Routine? Caroline makes no mention of acid tone in the main post in terms of NIOD routine (and I ADORE acid toning so am loathe to give it up!!). thanks!
ReplyDeleteMaybe I am being silly, but won't acid toning after applying CAIS wipe away the CAIS?
DeleteI had the same question Rhi had.
DeleteBrilliant, thank you for replying :)
DeleteHi Brandon,
ReplyDeleteI've read that LMW HA actually isn't good for the skin and this has put me off using products that contain it. Please can you clarify? http://barefacedtruth.com/2015/03/31/hyaluronic-acid-yes-size-does-matter/
Thanks, Alex :)
Hi Brandon,
DeleteThank you very much for replying. Much appreciated!
I've just re-purchased CAIS - such a great product.
Hope you have a lovely christmas. :)
Thanks Caroline and Brandon, I too was a little confused.
ReplyDeleteI have been using CAIS for about 2 weeks now and I started seeing a difference after about 5 days. I had some kind of spot/acne scars on my cheeks that just wouldn't go away (I've even been seeing a medical dermatologist), and this is the only thing that seems to finally be getting rid of it! It's also improving the general condition of my skin. Very happy to have found a product that works!!
Brandon, what products would you recommend for melasma?
ReplyDeleteThank you for taking the time to answer my question!
DeleteI hadn't really heard about that line before, but I would love to get my hands on some of the stuff now. Especially the CAIS, I am a big believer in promoting skin health.
ReplyDeleteLinda, Libra, Loca: Beauty, Baby and Backpacking
I began using NIOD in October because I was curious about the hype (anyone who is a regular Victoriahealth.com customer will know *all* about NIOD!). Curiously I had low-ish expectations because it sounded too good to be true. To date I have purchased everything listed above plus the lip bio-lipid concentrate and the neck elasticity cream, (which looks and smells a bit like marmalade to me!).
ReplyDeleteI feel I did experience an almost noticeable, visible improvement in my skin in terms of clarity and smoothness . However, after an initial peak, I cannot see any additional improvements. I think this is the long term gain that Brandon is referring to (“longer-term health of the skin which approaches the various signs of ageing at the very root: the health of skin cells;, rather than quick fixes”). On that basis I will continue to use all the range as I think the benefits are cumulative and to some extent unseen on a day-to-day basis but perhaps over a year, or five years, regular NIOD users would have ‘better’ skin. However, I will admit to being disappointed that FECC has not had a dramatic effect on my slightly crepey eyelids ( I was hoping for a miracle there!).
I am eagerly anticipating some of the new products that are due to be launched next year.
Oh yes, an interesting observation about LVCE. Initially, I really found it to be a disconcerting and not entirely pleasant product to use. It has a slight ‘avocado’-ish smell to me and it feels slightly oily. I used to be very concerned about the ‘residue’ left on my skin However, one day I dropped an open bottle of LVCE in my bathroom and when it bounced it splashed across a wall that has matt emulsion on it. The ‘grease’ marks it left behind were hideous and I actually assumed I would have to re-prime the wall and paint over it. However, there is now no sign of the marks at all and it has indeed evaporated (“If left alone without other topical treatments on top, this cushion will disappear and actually balance (not trigger or reduce) natural sebum production.”). Unlike the residue of an oil-based cleanser that I accidentally splashed on the wall and that has remained, and will need to be painted over (drat!).
Hi Brandon, thank you for your fantastic advice. I do have the NEC - I described it as reminding me of marmalade ;-) but it wouldn't have occurred to me to use it on my eyelids to provide elasticity support (but yes of course, it makes perfect sense)! I am very excited about the new products.
DeleteHi, to echo another question - if using CAIS and MMHC (in that order) currently but want to add in Hylamide sub Q, what is the best order to apply? Thanks!
ReplyDelete@carolinehirons Hirons help !! I’m having an allergic reaction to one of the following ingredients : camellia sinensis leaf extract, Chamomilla Recutita Flower Extract, Lavandula Angustifolia (Lavender) Flower/Leaf/ Stem Ext, Citrus Auranitum Bergamia (Bergamot) Fruit Ext, Caprylyl / Capryl Glucoside, Polyglyceryl-4 Caprate, Potassium Sorbate, Sodium Benzoate, Glycerin, Aloe vera leaf extract. I get really hot red, irritated, itchy and tight skin from one of these or maybe a combination of them. Are any of these known allergens?
ReplyDeleteAnyone can develop allergies to anything really, but my first guess would be lavender. Have a talk to a Dermatologist if you can, they can to patch tests to confirm :) Good luck!
DeleteDear Brandon,
ReplyDeleteDoes NIOD offer anything targeted specifically at acneic/combination skin, alongside addressing (anti)ageing issues? Thank you for your time in these comments, the knowledge & insight are greatly appreciated.
Best,
Kata
Hi! I might be a bit late to comment, but I was wondering about the appropriate age to start using NIOD products, especially CAIS? It sounds so wonderful and after googling reviews I feel an overwhelming need to buy it. However, I'm "only" 25 years old. I used to jump to the strongest potions all the time until I realized I was doing more harm than good to my skin by using strong anti-ageing products at 22, and I've become a bit more wary as of late. Is it too soon to start using CAIS, or could I derive some benefits from it even now?
ReplyDeleteHi Brandon,
Deletethank you for a quick answer! :) I will keep that in mind.
I also want to ask a Q along this line, I'm 35 and so far (so good) am not suffering from wrinkles etc.....HOWEVER I do have a red/uneven skin tone, with recurring pimples/scarring (as in the skin is very red) on the chin area and pigmentation (from pregnancy) around the temples.
DeleteI'm looking at purchasing the Low-Viscosity Cleaning Ester, CAIS & MMHC - and use this as my only skin care regime to regulate my skin's health and look. Is this enough, do I need to add anything else? Do I need a toner? Do I add day/night moisturizer on top? Do I need weekly masks such as the Flavanone Mud Mask?
Help desperately needed as I want great skin!
I have been using the FECC for several months now and I am BEYOND impressed! IT DOES EXACTLY WHAT IT PROMISES. Yes! I did just use all caps. It's that good. Listen, I am a nobody from the American Midwest with slightly more than 100 followers on my IG account. Not a "guru," an "expert," or a social media queen. Just an everyday woman who happens to be obsessed with skin care. Even so, DECIEM has taken the time to answer each and every one of my questions about their products, give me advice as to what I might use, and even follow up and ask me how I like what I'm using! Who does that anymore? They are brilliant. I mean to try all of the DECIEM products suitable for my skin type (dry, dehydrated, over 40) as my budget permits. I am absolutely in love with this brand! (And no, I'm not paid to endorse or speak about anything. If only, lol!)
ReplyDeleteHello there, Brandon! Thank you for your reply, your excellent team at DECIEM, and, most of all, thank you for the SCIENCE! I have exchanged several instagram DMs with your team and they are truly amazing people. Honestly, I have purchased products from brands that charge much, much more than yours and haven't received a tenth of the care and customer service from them. I am truly impressed. You've made a customer (and a friend) for life!
DeletePS: In one of your previous comments, you mentioned a non-compete. I know the other brand, and have used their products. They are good, but DECIEM is better. That's not a "fangirl" speaking, just an objective comment from someone who has used (and paid for) both. I still have half a tube of the "Brand X" HA product, but I stopped using it when I discovered Hylamide, which, IMO, is a far superior product. Well done! You can't keep a good person down. At least not forever.
(Sorry if my comment is being sent twice, there's something wrong with my computer and I don't know if my comments got through already.)
ReplyDeleteHi! I might be a bit late to comment, but I was wondering about the appropriate age to start using NIOD products, especially CAIS? It sounds like such a wonderful product and after googling for more reviews I feel very tempted to buy it. However, I'm "only" 25 years old. I used to jump to the strongest anti-ageing products available all the time after I turned 20, but soon realized I was doing more harm than good to my skin. I've become a bit more wary nowadays and turned to gentler products. Am I too young to start using CAIS, or could I derive some benefits from it even at my age? I'd be super thankful for any answer. :)
I have been using the CIAS and MMHC for about 6 months now and last week I started on the LVCE and the ELAN *high five for speaking in tounges lol*
ReplyDelete. I won't lie it does take a while to get your head around the products and what they do for your skin but once you see and feel the difference in your skin you will want to know so much more!
Good skin is an investment. I find the products really go the extra mile,
I believe these 4 products have totally taken my skin from being ok to looking fabulous at 47 .. and I will be investing in some more soon!
WOW!!! Thank you Caroline and Brandon for the detailed breakdown! Very much appreciated!
ReplyDeleteRub, pat, swipe or dab?
ReplyDeletePlease tell us the preferred way to apply.
I was introduced to your range via Sali Hughes Beauty forum where you have some number one fans and who told us about your Black Friday offer! I got the hand and NIOD bundles.
A big thank you also Brandon to Tara in your Customer Service team for all of her prompt help when I first used the lip contour but without reading how to actually use it! All sorted now.
Thank you too Caroline for all that you do and the way you do it! Jules, UK x
Waves to Jules! x
DeleteHow about this blog for timing?!
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ReplyDeleteI love the PHOTOGRAPHY FLUID, OPACITY 12% and use it often. I mix a drop in with my moisturizer and it hydrates perfectly plus adds a glorious glow !
ReplyDeleteI would love to try CAIS as I am in my 20s and definitely after long term effects rather than quicker short term results. However, my concern is that if I am being honest with myself, I know that the chances of me using the same product twice a day every day for the rest of my life are unlikely. I enjoy skincare too much...does this mean that if I won't get anything from CAIS? Can it be used in conjunction with other products/for short bursts (say, 2 months on, 2 months off) etc
ReplyDeleteWonderful thread today! Brandon, you're a superstar for answering so fully.
ReplyDeleteBrandon! I can't believe you replied to me too! Take a deep breath and have a more restful day today! Big smiles from the UK back at you and your team!
DeleteThis sounds right up my street but I already have lots of products including serums etc. Is there one product from this range that I should try ( am guessing it's the CAIS) and how will it sit between acid toning with my p50 and my regular serum/ moisturiser / spf? Not sure I want to add another step but it sounds interesting!
ReplyDeleteHi Brandon
DeleteMany thanks for the personal reply. I am happy with my current regime and have stockpiled some of the products so I plan to stick with them. But yes - the high science in your range is very appealing to me. I was wondering if I can start by alternating the CAIS or hylamide ( or can I layer one over the other) with my current serums. Will this "day on - day off" technique be ok or does the skin only benefit from CAIS if used twice daily? I have read that CAIS is quite "watery" - this sounds good to me as an additional layer between my acid toner (Biologique Recherche) and my serum ( skinceuticals / Själ). How long would it be best to let the CAIS absorb before applying the next serum? And (sorry for so many questions) is the CAIS the best one for facial firming / lifting? I know copper peptides are supposed to be good for firming. Thanks again. Z
Hi! How do you decide to get CAIS 1% vs. CAIS 5%?
ReplyDeleteAlso, planning on trying the Grow Gorgeous!
This post has really grabbed my interest! Brandon, if you're still lurking, I have two questions, and I've scrolled through the conversations above so hopefully I'm not asking something that's already been posted.
ReplyDeleteYou said silicone is a product that's greatly misunderstood. Will you explain? I was never staunchly on either side of that debate.
Also, you mentioned your company is against eye creams. How interesting! I have problems with eye puffiness and I've noticed they increase when I use eye creams. I rather liked Lisa Eldridge's theory that excess moisture gets pocketed into the skin under the eyes when you use too much eye cream. What are your thoughts?
Thank you! And Caroline -- I'm enjoying your blog! Loved the spot-popping post! ;)
I also have the photography fluid and love it! I suffer with rosacea and am wondering if the CAIS and MMHC would be good for my sensitive skin. Am currently using prescription Finacea Gel.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much!!!
This makes for brilliant reading! I am a long term Victoria health customer absolutely love reading Gill's newsletters! I am currently using some of the NIOD products mainly CAIS and MMHC and so far I've been blown away by how effective they are. I have tried most high end skincare and there really just seems to be something very very special about this line (I intend to buy more!) And I think Brandon has been amazing to answer all these questions so fully. Also fantastic post Caroline (as always) really informative and interesting!! Xx
ReplyDeleteThank you Caroline and Brandon for the incredibly informative post and thread!
ReplyDeleteBrandon,
I would also like to know more about using NIOD to deal with 30 year old, acneic skin. I gather using CAIS will improve the overall health and so should improve the skin's ability to deal with bacteria and inflammation, but are there any products you would suggest? Alternately should I avoid any products in the line? I saw you mention above that caution should be taken when using Vitamin C on acneic skin, could you please elaborate?
Hi, which of these products are pregnancy/breastfeeding safe? Thanks.
ReplyDeleteOkay so I think I get it. My skin is SUPER dehydrated, I don't have any oil going on but I am prone to breakouts, I don't think I'm dry but definitely more that way than oily. Is HV good for me despite not being dry dry?
ReplyDeleteI'm 24 and in my opinion I have a serious case of leather face! (Fine lines all over forehead and around the eyes, lots of texture, dull, super tight feeling, rough) I am sheet white so pigmentation is my sister, I am currently using D-pigment on post acne scares after I cleanse with shu uemura ultim8 CO then follow with eye cream and moisturiser. I desperately need a routine to save my skin, I'm scared I'll look 80 but the time I'm 30 HELP :'(
I visited the Deciem site and had a look at these products, I found them really interesting and I will definitely try some since I heard about them from Caroline - although I will wait for an actual product review from her. What ruined it a bit for me in the sense that it decreased their credibility is that the product reviews on the Niod site look far too much like they are written from the marketing person. You go to cult beauty for example and there are good products with zero reviews. In Deciem / Niod you have articulated reviews, covering every issue the buyer might have. I wonder if anyone else read them and got the same feeling. Ana
ReplyDeleteI've just read through the entire thread of questions and answers . It's been totally fascinating and informative, and even though I am now a reasonably experienced user of the NIOD range, I have learned a lot today. I am even more excited about NIOD than I was before! Having re-read my first post earlier today, I realise I may have sounded quite subdued about NIOD, when actually I was very, very impressed by the early visible results I saw in my own skin. I can't say there has been another significant incremental improvement that I can *see* but my skin feels smoother and more resilient, and I just sense that it's healthier. I also want to echo someone else who said that HV makes a perfect base for foundation. It is like a primer but with added benefits. I wish Brandon had been around years ago, I can only imagine how much better my skin would look now!
ReplyDeleteBrandon: What product(s) would you recommend for skin that has been damaged due to radiation treatment?
ReplyDeleteJust to clarify, Brandon, my current cleanser which is rinsed of with water after massaging into the skin, contains (among other things) lactic acid, salicylic acid and retinol. If I want to use CAIS, should I stop using this particular cleanser?
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for sharing all your knowledge. I am really enjoying this Q & A thread.
Thank you, Brandon. I have been so brainwashed by the fairly sloppy use of the word "acid" in the beauty industry that it didn't even occur to me that you meant pH. I like the way this cleanser makes my skin look & feel so would like to keep using it but also intend to give your NIOD cleanser a try. Thank you, again.
DeleteThis thread is brilliant! So informative & reflects so well on NIOD & Deciem in general. Love!
ReplyDeleteThank you Caroline and Brandon! What an amazing post and thread! This is exactly the info I'm interested in and is unique to Caroline's Blog!
ReplyDeleteI too purchased Hylamide when Caroline first posted about it and last week could not resist you amazing Black Friday offer... So am not only impressed by the products themselves, but also by your pricing and your service!
I did browse through the NIOD site, but could not figure out what would be beneficial for me, so this is extremely helpful in making an informed choice.
Hope I'm not too late to ask a retinol related question. If I wish to incorporate CAIS in my regime, how would I do that in combination with a 1% retinol product I use a few times a week (which I use for long term benefits - I will be 50 soonish but have very good skin so no specific concerns).
Also - if you could still expand on your silicone answer above. I understand they are not harmful per se, but I find I react to products that use them (like EL ANR or Vichy Aqualia).
Thank you both, again!!!
Thank you so much for your detailed reply, Brandon! I will definitely CAIS in the new year.
DeleteAll the best!
Hi Brandon, in case you are still reading later today. I have a question about hyaluronic acid and glycerin. I've read that HA may not be a better humectant than glycerin. What are your thoughts on that?
ReplyDeleteI wanted to add that your replies have been amazingly informative; I live for intelligent science-based writing. I may have impulse purchased CAIS and LVCE today.
DeleteI have been using NIOD since August and gradually adding to my regime as products became available. Initially, I must admit I was in two minds - I do like instant gratification (who doesn't?) and missed the feeling of the oils and serums I had been using. However, I felt I should give the products a fair trial and I would say, the last few weeks my skin has never been better - in fact, so much so, that I have changed my industrial strength foundation to really light coverage!! My skin feels so balanced now and always well hydrated. I have started to use the vit C ester at night and this has really given my skin a glow that I have never seen before. I do not use any other products at night other than the NIOD regime and my skin still feels really moist in the morning. AM I do use an SPF 50 under makeup. I really am loving this range and appreciate the fact that it is not crazily priced - I will certainly be continuing and look forward to even more improvement (I should add that I am 61 so any product that works that well has my total respect.
ReplyDeleteThank you so much for your advice, I really appreciate it and will certainly be looking into changing my sunscreen.
DeleteFound this on barefaced truth.com
ReplyDeleteHi drjohn,
Would you be prepared to give an opinion on Deciem’s NIOD products, in particular the Copper Amino Isolate Serum (see link below):
http://niod.com/product/copper-amino-isolate-serum-1pct-15ml
Is this safe to use? I have a vague memory of reading about dangerous human growth factors in cosmetics/skincare, and the potential risks involved in stimulating epithelial cell growth. Please forgive my ignorance but do copper peptides increase cell turnover, and is this dangerous?
Many thanks for your time and attention.
Ros
drjohn
MAY 25, 2015 AT 11:52 PM · REPLY
Gly-His-Lys (GHK) and their copper complexes, are physiologic (occur naturally in humans) and have demonstrated anti-inflammatory and antioxidant effects. Effects on wound healing, tissue repair and skin inflammation have been demonstrated – possibly mediated through stem cells and their paracrine secretions (growth factors). GHK has a strong affinity for copper. The GHK-Cu complex is found in human plasma. But the unbound GHK is fully functional on its own. As you may know, there is considerable controversy concerning copper peptides whether slathering the copper bound variety is necessary, or even harmful. Many people report copper peptide “uglies” which could relate to this factor (the copper bound variety is NOT natural to skin). Both GHK and GHK-Cu are quite polar and absorption through the epidermis is minimal. Copper peptides do stimulate fibroblasts to produce more collagen, but they do so indirectly by affecting of number of regenerative cytokines. It is not a “single growth factor” treatment like EGF in isolation. GHK is not directly mitogenic, and is not associated with cancer. In fact it has positive effects on caspase, growth regulatory, and DNA repair genes that are associated with cancer suppression.
The only issue I have with copper peptide is the copper part. The GKH part is clearly associated with many of the same good things as mesenchymal stem cells cytokines and growth factors.
Having said all this I notice that this company puts low molecular weight HA into its cu-GHK product. I would stay away from this (sends all the wrong biosignals) and look for a different source.
Hope this helps, Ros.
I think those guys have their own products that they want you to buy. I take their "advice" with several huge grains of salt.
DeleteI often have really dry flakey eyelids.I have tried all kinds of eye creams but still have this problem,and they are very sensitive,going red and sore and reacting to some creams.Would the FECC be something that might help?Or can I put another one of your products around my eyes?
ReplyDeleteWould the FECC be good for dry,sensitive ,flakey eyelids? I have tried many eye creams nut still have this problem.Or is there another of your products I could put around my eyes to help this problem?
ReplyDeleteI hope you are still answering questions!
Sorry,seem to have posted twice!
DeleteThank you for the in depth answers. I wanted to know if you had any products for dandruff? My husband has dandruff which has become somewhat resistant to ketoconazole, tar or any other traditional anti dandruff product. Any product that can soothe an itchy, flaky scalp would be helpful as well
ReplyDeleteThis has been fascinating reading, and I have since invested in NEC with the intention of using it on my upper eyelid, and the Grow Gorgeous shampoo and conditioner. I have also changed slightly how I use the products I have - CAIS and (a small amount) of MMHC followed by Sub-Q Anti-Age. I'm glad to add the latter back in as it has such good effects. Those will all go round the eye too, followed by FECC underneath and NEC on top!
ReplyDeleteAll topped off with HV in the morning.
Reading this has also suggested to me that adding ELAN in the evening might be overdoing things, so I think I will keep it for an occasional booster rather than every night.
Thanks again Brandon for all this excellent information. I add my appreciation of Tara, who sent me three full-sized products when she didn't reply promptly to an email I sent her. Such good service! (mind you, it also turned out to be great marketing as one was Fountain.HA, which has now become a regular part of my routine and I'm on my fifth bottle!)
Hi,
ReplyDeleteI would like to ask if using cu-peptides as in CAIS, would cause unwanted hair growth on face, since cu-peptides are known to stimulate it. And another question is whether using ascorbic acid and niacinamide together degrades the efficacy of both, or it is completely okay. Thank you very much.
Caroline
ReplyDeleteThank you for arranging this post/thread with Brandon. It has been a uniquely wonderful experience that I and my friends have enjoyed immensely, being able to get so much information 'from the horses mouth'. If only you could arrange a clairvoyant to ask Coco Channel about fragrance...
Oh, and I think a few of us might be a little 'in love' with Brandon now. And DECIEM.
very interesting, thank you. I do have quite a few Deceim products. I remember years ago using copper peptides creams and that we had to go carefully with them in order for the skin to adjust. I also remember that they shouldn't be used with another active and I can't remember if it was retain A or vit C. At the moment I use a c serum in the morning and retain A at night. How would CAIS fit into this routine"?
ReplyDeleteMany thanks
Hi please can you tell me how CAIS interacts with retin A ( which I use at night) and vit c serum ( which I use in the morning)?? I seem to remember that copper peptides shouldn't be mixed with another active but I can't remember which one! I'm seriously considering buying but only if I can still use those other 2 actives!
ReplyDelete"a man who by his own admission will use 597 words when one will suffice" that is funny... and predictable. Brandon is Canadian, Canadians repeat themselves about million time, while you got it from the first time :)
ReplyDeleteI am Canadian and have never heard that one before! Could you repeat it? ;-) Very proud that this brand hails from my country. Well done! I just bought the Hydration Vaccine and really like it. Have just done a big spend of skincare stuff but can't wait to really dive into this brand in the new year!
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ReplyDeleteCaroline...Do you have any thoughts on the following reference?
ReplyDeleteHyaluronic Acid – Yes, Size Does Matter! | BareFacedTruth ...
barefacedtruth.com/2015/03/31/hyaluronic-acid-yes-size-does-matter/
Mar 31, 2015 - Good-Bad-Ugly Reviews · Stem Cell ... According to another study, low molecular weight HA may also play a role in breast cancer metastasis.
Brandon has already replied to this above, at length. See his answer to the same question from I Heart Beauty.
DeleteDear Brandon,
ReplyDeleteI am two days late, so probably wouldn't get a reply. But in future ever if you read it I would like to clarify a thing about LVCE. I am post grad in chemistry (loved organic chem) so my question is little bit on the technical side. I see this is an ester based cleanser. You say it has no oil, but aren't oil just complicated form for esters? The directions also indicate that it is a water soluble (rinse with water) but 1st ingredient is Ethylhexanoate ester. Per my knowledge I know only basic esters are water soluble and their solubility decrease as they get bigger and hence oils (complicates esters) are not soluble in water. But Ethylhexanoate shouldn't be that water soluble either as it is 6th (methyl....hexyl) and hence quite big ester. So would you define LVCE as teeny weeny bit more water soluble but in the end an oil based cleanser? I just like cleansers to be water soluble and that is why wanted to clarify, maybe this product as more in it to make it that way.
Regards
Parul
I'm not a chemist - but neither is Brandon, by the way. What Susan says about makes sense to me as a non-expert: http://swiftcraftymonkey.blogspot.ie/2010/08/esters-cetearyl-ethylhexanoate.html
DeleteAccording to her, cetearyl ethylhexanoate is not water soluble. Anyway, from what I understand, esters are usually volatile and that would explain the described lightness of the product, and the evaporation of a stain that French Fancy is describing below. Esters are used in dry oil sprays, including sunscreens.
Thanks for replying! Couldn't figure out a way to put my name while posting so signed off using my name. Thanks again for all the explanation, it makes sense now :) And sorry you had to reply twice (below as well) to the same thing because of my "unknown" name. Cheers, Parul
DeleteHello Parul. I'm not a chemist, or even a scientist of any description but regarding your question above about LVCE being an oil based cleanser anyway, here is my own anecdote about that (read below) and to summarise:- if it is an oil based product, why did it evaporate from the matt painted wall of my bathroom without leaving an oil/grease stain?Perhaps you could conduct your own experiment?!
ReplyDelete"I really found it to be a disconcerting and not entirely pleasant product to use. It has a slight ‘avocado’-ish smell to me and it feels slightly oily. I used to be very concerned about the ‘residue’ left on my skin However, one day I dropped an open bottle of LVCE in my bathroom and when it bounced it splashed across a wall that has matt emulsion on it. The ‘grease’ marks it left behind were hideous and I actually assumed I would have to re-prime the wall and paint over it. However, there is now no sign of the marks at all and it has indeed evaporated (“If left alone without other topical treatments on top, this cushion will disappear and actually balance (not trigger or reduce) natural sebum production.”). Unlike the residue of an oil-based cleanser that I accidentally splashed on the wall and that has remained."
I am now officially obsessed.
ReplyDeleteThank you Sara and French Fancy. I can understand that it might evaporate but water solubility is a completely different thing. If you are rinsing something with water it needs to have something that makes it water soluble or else how can you rinse it? - Parul
ReplyDeleteAfter reading brands endorsing their own products, and proving why other brands get the science wrong or how they blatantly lie to their customers I am more confused than before.
ReplyDeletePure water is best for cleansing face? Vit C in non-water silicone products doesn't work because it would require extermely well hydrated skin, but NIOD's non-water vit C solution works just great. Oh, and btw vit C is not such a great antioxidant, and used just for glow, noted (then why does it even matter whether it's converted into ascorbic acid- ascorbyl glucoside would add glow just as well as L-AA).
As for "you don't need anti-aging ingredients, copper peptides suffice"- I remain sceptical.
Or "we have the best, non-irritating retinoid": la roche posay sells redermic R with Retinol linoleate , non-irritating retinoid. Avene sells Eluage, triacneal and physiolift with retinaldehyde- same as before, non-irritating vit A derivative. Other brands use non-irritating hydrogenated retinol H10. Everybody reinvents the wheel
Merci Caroline for keeping the thread going. You operate a first class ethical educational blog. No coal in your stocking!
ReplyDeleteArgh I'm sure I'm too late but after reading through ALL of Brandon's responses I just have 2 questions if either Brandon/Caroline can answer:
ReplyDelete1- Does CAIS have to be stored in the fridge - if yes then why?
2- how long does CAIS last before it 'expires' or needs to be replaced?
Many thanks
Christina
This is the response I received from Tara at Deciem:
Deletedoesn't need to be kept in the fridge. New formula is 2 liquids. If you have old formula, a powder and a liquid, then it must be kept in the fridge to ensure the Copper Peptides do not degrade and stay active.
2) Once mixed, CAIS should be used within 3 months.
What a brilliant blog (thank you Caroline) and marvellous set of questions with super answers from Brandon. I'm off to Victoria Health now to buy CAIS, MMHC and maybe Deciem to buy Hylamide SubQ anti-age even though I feel that just having had my 75th birthday I'm too late. I'm not surprised that Gill at Victoria Health loves Brandon so much and look forward to new products next year. Wonder if a moisturiser/night cream or something like that will be on the cards. Anyway, thank you again Caroline -- and Brandon of course. Season's greetings.
ReplyDeleteCaroline, thank you so much for putting Deciem into the spotlight! I hope that Deciem is strong enough to stay on the market. I can imagine that most of the well known prestigious companies hate a newcomer like this and everything to destroy it. I wish all the best to Brandon and his team. I love Hand Chemistry and now start loving CAIS ( 've been using it for a week 🙃)
ReplyDeleteA little late the blog on this one and usually don't comment anyway but I felt compelled to comment on this and to also add a question.
ReplyDeleteFirst and foremost from one Canadian to another good on ya!!! It's not very often that you see Canadian products in the spotlight.....especially when it comes to skincare.
Before posing my question I would like to give a little bit of background on myself. I have spent almost 25 years in the Canadian military. My skin has been exposed to many different types of weather for extended periods of time. Currently I am on vacation in Mexico with my husband and have taken a bit too much sun.....and over extended myself to a good amount of drinks....lol. I was looking to see if I could get a bottle of the CAIS in 1% and 5% (for when my skin is exposed to winter and vacation times) but the only store I see that carries this product is the Bay. I went online to your website and it is in US dollars. Now this may be because I'm in Mexico right now? However I did notice that the Bay only carries the 1%. Is there other ways to order thru Canada in Canadian funds as our dollar really isn't doing well?
Thanks in advance for your reply.
So far I have tried MMHC and FECC and I am quite happy with the results, no miracle here to see but my skin is looking good and healthy which is what I want after all.
ReplyDeleteBeen using CAIS, MMHC and FECC regularly for about three weeks now, as well as LVCE as needed. Ordered after reading this. I am totally blown away. Laugh lines round mouth just gone, crinkle lines outside of eyes gone, dark shadows under eyes shrunk to a tiny bit in the inner corner, patches of hyperpigmentation on cheeks faded to the extent that a bit of sheer blush blends them in successfully, no need for concealer or foundation, old acne scars fading very, very fast.
ReplyDeleteJust started using ELAN and the Lip Concentrate too on the strength of the performance of the other items. Also finding a combination of the Hand Chemistry Hyaluronic Spray and Retin-oil is making a big indent into stretch marks on my body and my skin has never been so soft.
Perhaps the most telling thing is that my stash of previous favourites (eyes creams, moisturisers, serums, facial oils, acid toners- often at over double the price) have now been relegated to the status of hand and foot creams/treatments. And that's only because I too mean to chuck 'em pronto. Will be investigating the Deciem hand and foot cream offerings as soon as I work my way through this backlog!
Caroline, do you plan on doing a personal review? I'm really intrigued to try this line but would love to hear your personal experience.
ReplyDeleteHi! Im reaaly interested in the NIOD/Hylamide range, and I would like to add some of the products to my routine. Im 25, and i have a blemish prone- allways dehydrated- combination skin, so i´m more interested in prevention and in getting rid of the scars and pigmentation left by blemishes. Would a combintion of CAIS and the hand quemistry retinol oil be a good idea for me? should I add something like MMHC, or Hylamide?
ReplyDeleteMy lord... never did a post have such an impact on me! I went to their website to study the NIOD products and then discover they have several branches under Deciem that all sound amazing. I only feel sorry that I have oily skin so don't really feel I can get away with getting ALL THE PRODUCTS but luckily they're releasing new goodies for us oily people soon!
ReplyDeleteI messaged the deciem team about the Fountain molecules and whether there would be any suiting someone on blood thinners (obviously going to include a doctors opinion as well) since my boyfriend is on waitinglist for a new heart and we're just desperate to find something for him that could benefit him while waiting around.. They were so nice and even requested to be updated about my boyfriends health!
Can't wait to try their products, and oh my ladies, have you seen Brandon Truaxe? There I was picturing and old chemist looking very Walter White-esque when he looks like he should do modelling.. just saying.. go check him out! ; )
Thank you Caroline and Brandon. This post has been so incredibly informative. So much so, I confidently made my purchase(s) this morning, from my car, on my phone, while waiting to pick my boss up for work.
ReplyDeleteHello -
ReplyDeleteI have searched high and low for help regarding retinol and hoping someone may know about the problem I have had regarding its use. I tried retinol cream a couple of years ago and soon after using, my pores were quite enlarged. Called the company, no help. I recently tried another brand in oil form and was so excited as it is a gentler form, but same effect.....enlarged pores. Would you have any understanding? Thank you. I am interested in the retin oil, but very hesitant. I love the CAIS and just ordered the MMHC. :-)
Hi! I got oily skin and gets pimples mostly on my chin. The sides of my nose has nasty whiteheads and so my nose itself. Most of the time when I touch the side of my nose and try to smell the oil deposits on it, iy smells funky.
ReplyDeleteI wonder if this line of product would help me get rid of too much oil and pesky whiteheads on my face?
Thanks in advance!
Flavinone Mud seems to help! That apart, stay away from NAAP and ELAN. I did not have any breakouts but these broke me out crazily and its gonna take me months to clear them :(
DeleteHas anyone here used any NIOD products? I'd really appreciate some more reviews from actual users of these products. I've been on the fence for so long. Just need a little push to take the plunge and place an order.
ReplyDeleteI'm going to place an order on the Flavanone Mud soon, which I think is a relatively new product; just popped up on their website one day... I will keep you updated!
DeleteAs far as Deciem in general is concerned, I find them absolutely fantastic! Their Hylamide Finisher in Pore Delete is amazing as a primer, and even more amazing on the eyelids if you always get those really unflattering "oil-induced eyeshadow crease lines".
Thanks DTia88. I'll check out the Hylamide Finisher. I use the Photography Fluid and although I don't know what it does, I know it adds some sort of subtle glow. I add barely a drop to either primer or foundation. I'm particularly interested in trying CAIS and MMHC along with all my other Hiron approved acids, serum etc.
ReplyDeleteHi Mimi. I'm not Caroline or Brandon (obviously!) but I use nearly all of the NIOD range. I find I definitely need a moisturiser over CAIS & MMHC. May I suggest you email Tara at Deciem UK (I assumed you were in the UK, maybe you're not!). The email address is uk@deciem.com. I have had various bits of advice from her about the NIOD products & she is extremely helpful & knowledgable about the products.
ReplyDeleteSo after much procrastination I ordered CAIS, MMHC, Hylamide Sub Q; not because I needed it as such as my 50 year old skin is the best it's ever been. My skin has truly been glowing and poreless and plump. I was just curious and am always seeking to improve. It's been 3 days, used as outlined above, in addition to my regular routine and my skin has gone quickly downhill. Larger pores, leathery texture, lines on my cheeks after waking in the morning - which hasn't happened ever. I do want to give this line a fair shake as it seems to work so well for so many. Any thoughts as to what might be happening here? I'll give this another few days and stop but wonder if I'm missing something.
ReplyDeleteI notice Caroline used CAIS in her instagram post. I do wish we could hear her review on it.
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ReplyDeleteMy skin is oily, acne prone but I did not have a breakout in the last 5 years. I would not call my skin sensitive as I've used AHA/BHA and Retinoids for a long time!
ReplyDeleteI decided to replace my current Vitamin C serum with ELAN and replace Retinoids and AHA/BHA with NAAP.
Both our (GF) skins broke out like crazy that I had to rush to the derm! I have not had such severe breakouts in my life!!!!! I wrote to customer care and initially suspected that ELAN was causing the issue. I stopped its use and DECIEM was gracious enough to send me 25% serum which I have not yet started using as my skin at this point is in the worst ever shape.
Anyway, it is not just ELAN but it was also NAAP! Every night we used it, in the morning we saw face covered with zits. We completely stopped all forms of exfoliation, used NAAP twice a week, alternate days etc. We really wanted it to work, but no! We even had bought a second bottle by then! At this point, we decided to stop using both ELAN and NAAP as face is covered with breakouts and this will take a long time to clear up. The minute we stopped NAAP, finally breakouts are not happening. Just now need to get rid of 2 dozen zits. And slowly getting back to Retin-A to treat acne.
These product needs t come with a warning!
Agree with Michelle! My skin is oily, and pretty disappointed with MMHC and HV. Used both and started seeing dry patches. Now thinking of adding a non-oily moisturizer.
ReplyDeleteI have been using CAIS for 3 months. Before CAIS I had been using strong retinol products, vitamin C products, peel etc for 15 years. I have extremely large pores. Nothing was able to change the size of my pores until now!!!!! I know many article say pore size cannot change but in 3 months of using CAIS my pore are a 1/4 of the size they use to be. I use to have great difficulty applying foundation to my nose as it would sink straight in my pores and look awful, even with primers after a few hours my nose would look very unsightly. CAIS has totally been a game changer for me. Very grateful to finally have found something that works.
ReplyDeleteHow does your products compare to
ReplyDeleteObagi C RX normal to dry skin? I use the below products from Obagi. Some of the below have Hydroquinone in them.
Cleanser
Exfoliating Day Lotion
C-Therapy Night Cream
Clarifying Serum
Sunscreen